Thursday, October 23, 2008

Liberals "Anti-American"? "Pro-America areas of this great nation"?

We didn't misunderstand what Sarah Palin & Michelle Bachmann said or read more into what they said than what they intended. We KNOW what we heard & we KNOW it speaks of what is truly in their hearts.

Just like this clip tells us what Barack Obama has in his heart, and why this country needs him now...more than ever.

I guess, bottom line for me, voting for Barack Obama represents my way of lighting a candle in the midst of the ignorant darkness that people like Michelle & Sarah work so hard to perpetuate.


~Deb said...
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Mr. C said...


I honestly have no idea what you mean by saying that I "changed this video".

Nothing about this post has changed at all. I re-watched it, and it's the same one I posted originally. I might be misunderstanding what you're saying, but--knowing I am a supporter of Barack Obama--why would I post a video that I knew would be anti-Obama and then remove it? To me, the clip was very inspiring, and not the slightest bit negative as regards Obama.

I am totally perplexed & dismayed about your response. I know you & I don't see eye-to-eye on this year's presidential race, but we've always been cordial to one another (at least that's how you've been with me, and how I've tried to be with you).

I don't even know what to say about your belief that I am a coward & a fraud, other than I'm sorry that this post has caused you to see me that way. I know that this particular post is not a sentiment that everyone shares, but it is the same post it has always been. If you wouldn't mind, could you tell me what you see as having changed from the first time you saw the post?

I truly, truly do not understand from where your obvious anger comes. Of course, you have the right to post whatever you like & to speak your heart, but I would always have expected that all of what you write & post would come from the heart & that every word would always be grounded in grace. It's what I try to do here (although, sometimes, I admit, I may not be entirely successful). I've really done my best to be anything BUT deceptive & I've been living my life not so much with the aim of being "a good Christian", but to live according to Christ's principles. May sound like semantics, I know, but it's a distinction that allows me to hold on to all the good stuff from my exposure to Religion without continuing to endure the pain & guilt of the bad old days.

While I am a relatively-new admirer of yours & while I value your opinion on many things, I know that it's not someone else's definition of who I am that matters, but my own.

I continue to hope & pray that this is some misunderstanding on either my or your part, or both.

If what you say in these comments is really what you believe, it may avail me nothing to reiterate that I have changed nothing about this post (especially where the video part is concerned), except that I will have spoken (written) the truth.

Bottom line, though, why would I lie about something like this?

I cannot properly express right now how hurt I am at reading such uncharacteristically mean-spirited words from you. Especially after reading the original comment you made(which you have now deleted) that was the same clear-minded, thoughtful, loving words I've come to expect from you.

As I said before, I am confused & shocked right now, and I don't really know how to prove to you that the video was not changed on my blog. It was always about how Obama believes that this is one country; that we are all in this together; that there are no "anti-America" parts of our country, as Sarah Palin & Michelle Bachmann have indicated; and, that as a people, we can change the world--but only if we believe we can & only if we're ready to work hard for it. It's why I posted this in the first place.

If you are of a mind (and heart), I hope you will contact me & let me know what specifically you noticed as having changed.

From what I can see, nothing has changed in all this, but you (or at least the responses you've left on this post).

Your friend (still?),


~Deb said...


The video that was once on that blog, that I had opened-----I supported. It was this video: -----that video I agreed with. It's much different from the one you now have up, which you HAVE changed. And, if you're telling me you have not changed it, then I have no respect for you because I detest lying.

Other than that, our passionate views on politics is just what it is. After the elections, it doesn't matter anymore and whatever candidate loses, will be long forgotten anyway, just like Kerry was.

I hope you are well, and I just wanted to explain my reasoning of my comments.

Thanks, Clarence.

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Mr. C said...

(As an FYI, and in the interest of full disclosure, I did delete my initial comment to make a couple of grammatical changes to this response, but the vast majority of what is written here is what was written here originally)

I hate to appear to be completely clueless, but I can't really help but believe that you and I are not on the same page (in this instance).

The video posted on this blog entry is the one it has always been. The YouTube video linked to Michelle Bachmann's name as a hyperlink is quite similar to the link you provided me (I think it contains more footage from Hardball preceding the clip whose link you sent me), but it's still the same video clip link I included originally.

I still do not understand the obvious anger that this incident has brought out in you. I understand your aversion to & your dislike of lying & those who do lie, but I promise you that I have not intentionally lied to you or to anyone else. I also would have no reason to lie about it in the first place. To call me a liar even if I DID change the video, to me, is over-the-top, but it never happened, so all this makes even less sense to me.

I really do not know how to undo all this (without apologizing for & admitting to something that never happened), and--to be perfectly honest--I have neither the time nor the inclination to continue to defend myself against what I see as spurious accusations & sophomoric name-calling.

I wish this had never happened & I wish that neither you nor I felt the way we do now. I know that we don't really know each other that wel1. You and I have no history to speak of, so I know you owe me no allegiance as a friend, but it is both quite eye-opening & entirely dispiriting to see how quickly I have fallen from your good graces with this one incident (which I still insist is a non-incident), but, as with all things, I know that this has happened for a reason...even if I don't know that reason right now.

For what it's worth, I am not angry at you & I wish you nothing but the best & I pray that you continue to share the love of God with so many people in this old, hurting world in need of the Good News. You are so very awesome in that way. I wish I could ask your forgiveness for the wrong of which you seem to believe I am guilty, but I cannot, in good conscience, ask for absolution where no sin exists. If it matters, I am truly sorry if, in any way, I inadvertently offended or hurt or angered you. It was never & would never be my intention.

I know that you do not need me or my approval or my forgiveness, but I do (even if for my own sake) forgive you for the uncharacteristically hurtful things you wrote & the insinuations you made in your previous (now deleted) comments. I know they came from a place in you that was hurt, for some reason. Don't worry, I don't expect you to thank me for being forgiving when you also have nothing you see you need forgiveness for. Maybe the forgiveness is more for me, so that I can release to God that over which I have no control.

As for your threat to write about the perceived deception of "Mr. Gay Christian" in your blog, I know you will do whatever you feel you must, and I cannot pretend to have any other choice but to stand by while you do as your heart leads you to do.

I do want you to know that my conscience remains clear on this, and that in my post-closet, post-Religion life, I've come to understand that my value as a person & as an (imperfect) Child of God comes not from the temporal, but from the eternal.

I will have many, many things in my life for which I will one day have to answer to the Father, but, deep in my "gay, Christian" heart, I know this non-incident will not be one of them.

I have gained so much spiritually in knowing you and people like you,even beyond understanding that I am my Father's child, no matter what the world may try to get me to believe, and one of the many things I have learned is that it is not mine to change any heart, except my own. It would be so easy for me to dwell on the hurt that this has caused me and on the hurt & anger it has caused you, but at 46 years of age, I can't sacrifice even more of my time on this planet to such useless negativity. As the old song goes, "I haven't got time for the pain..."

Even if you don't believe or want it, I will continue to keep you in my prayers & I will always pray that He continues to bless you in all you do for the Kingdom.

You may have no more use for me, and I will get over that some day, but I have no doubt that our Lord has even greater plans for you. As I explained before, as big a minus as this particular experience has been for me, in the grand scheme of things, knowing you--even for this short time--has added so much to my life. I can be nothing but grateful...even if more than a little sad & dismayed that the unexpected gift of this cyber-friendship must end in tears (at least on my part).

Please take care & please keep fighting the Good Fight, as will I.


~Deb said...

You're deceptive.

Just like Obama.

So, I will leave this website because I do not read blogs that are deceptive. I don't have anger, I just don't put up with liars.

My partner and I saw the original video you placed up together. We copied the video because we wanted to use that for our own purposes, since we liked it so much and it went along well with our support for McCain (which yo happened to think it was leaned towards Obama more.) But, when we came back to your website, after my comment of calling you out on the video and saying this was leaning more towards McCain, you quickly changed the video.

Obama and his followers. It's like a cult. ;)